Posts Tagged ‘OSM’

The Open Location Roadshow

Thursday, July 30th, 2009

When we first thought about the concept we now call Open Location it seemed a valid one but we didn’t know if it would work. Although there are exceptions such as OpenStreetMap and GeoCommons, the world of geo-data is still predominantly proprietary so wasn’t the concept of an open ethos which talked about opening up ownership, control and exchange of locations a little … absurd? It seemed that we weren’t the first to come across this quandary, even Einstein had been here before:

If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it.

So we decided to ask the geo community, got our passports out, headed for the airport and took Open Location on the road.

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First stop was Where 2.0 in San Jose, USA in May 2009, where Geo Technologies’ Tyler Bell talked about creating an open infrastructure for a location aware internet and about the need for open ownership, open exchange, open platforms and open data. We also released a web serviceplatform that day as well.

On the other side of the Atlantic, Open Location’s next stop was at the Being Digital conference in London UK in June 2009. Here I talked about the need for open data and open platforms, the opposite from so many of the “roach motel” style geo projects where locations get in but they don’t get out.

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Staying in London and in June 2009, Open Location paid a visit to the popular #geomob meetup, the transatlantic partner to Silicon Valley’s WebMapSocial meetup, where our concept of Open Location was reprised for the London developer community who weren’t able to make it to San Jose and so to Where 2.0.

And then at State of the Map ‘09, the annual OpenStreetMap conference in Amsterdam in July 2009, we again talked about Open Location and announced that by the end of 2010 we would remove all proprietary sources from our place data, looking to OSM’s open data to help us replace our proprietary data. This caused quite a stir with the audience and even more of a stir with the Twitter-sphere.

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But it also caused a few misunderstandings which we should really clear up. Our geo place data is what drives GeoPlanet, Placemaker and Fire Eagle, it also provides the heavy lifting of geo identification and geo tagging across Yahoo!, such as on Flickr. But just as importantly our geo place data is not our geo-spatial data and our Maps data, including the map tiles.

In case you’ve missed the Open Location roadshow, here’s a reminder of its tenets:

  • Ownership: everyone should have control of their location and of the places that they contribute and enhance. Tightly linked to the concept of open exchange, overall openness and transparency around location and place will increase both use and trust.
  • Control: location and place needs a place to be managed centrally, agnostic to device or to platform; a location detected on a your mobile phone will enhance geographically your online experience.
  • Exchange: locations added to the Yahoo! network via Geo Technologies’ platforms are made available off the Yahoo! network; no roach motels here.

We’re currently planning, scoping and describing the platforms we’ll need to build in order to make Open Location a reality. Getting our place data open, with the help of OSM, is a good start but it’s just the start; we also need to solve the problem of the geo-babel that’s currently on the ‘net with so many different ways of referring to and describing the same place. But that’s a topic for another blog post.

Gary Gale, Director of Engineering, Yahoo! Geo Technologies

Photo credit: Maitri on Flickr, Gary Gale on Flickr.

London Geo/Mobile Developers Meetup Group

Friday, November 28th, 2008

The Web 2.0 Mapping and Social Networks group has a flourishing monthly series of meetups in and around Silicon Valley, covering topics on current and future web related geospatial and social networking technologies and applications and members of the Geo Technologies group frequently attend the meetups. Inspired by the success of the US meetup, on Wednesday November 27th, the first meetup of the London Geo/Mobile Developers Meetup group was held at Google’s UK headquarters in Victoria.

3064889725_a6dbb8b36dI was one of the speakers for the event and presented a deck on Yahoo! Fire Eagle, our source and application agnostic location switchboard platform. I covered an introduction to the Geo Technologies Group at Yahoo! and an overview of what Fire Eagle is. The deck then dug slightly deeper into apps that can update your location in Fire Eagle and apps that can use your location from Fire Eagle. The presentation then ended with a discussion on the challenges and issues surrounding user privacy and the way in which we address these issues within Fire Eagle. The deck is available for download from this blog, either as a PowerPoint show, a PDF document with accompanying slide notes or as a QuickTime movie.

Co-presenting with me on the night was Nick Black from CloudMade.com and Andrew Grill, the mobile advertising evangelist.

3065728958_26b33dcf2cNick spoke about the “5 things you can’t do with web-based maps” and talked about OpenStreetMap and the relationship between OSM and CloudMade. He gave an excellent demonstration about how mapping information can be embedded in a heavily branded site without the effect of a maps provider’s brand diluting or jarring with the look and feel of the hosting site. Two stand out examples of this are MSNBC’s hurricane tracker, which embeds Microsoft Virtual Earth maps and the Archaeological Finds Storymap for the official London 2012 Olympics site.

3064889997_52b8becbecAndrew rounded off the evening with a discussion on what can and more importantly what can’t be done when attempting to monetize LBMS (location based mobile services) including deconstructing and destroying the long lived “Starbucks texts you with a free coffee when you’re outside their store” myth. Andrew’s approach to location is refreshingly upfront and honest and he tackled some of the sacred cows of the often complex relationship that advertisers, mobile networks and the location space have.

The evening was a great success, made possible by the generosity of our hosts and by the tireless work put in by Chris Osbourne our organiser. The next London meetup is already being discussed for the New Year; watch out for more information on this blog.

Other write-ups of the event are on the #geomob blog, Google’s UK Developers blog and Andrew Grill’s London Calling blog.

Gary Gale, Yahoo! Geo Technologies